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2,661 hits 1.0 (1 vote) Share Favorite | Flag 17 years ago by Bon

Is `feminist` the sugar-coated term for a man hater?

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19 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 1/6/03 - 4:21:23 AM EST (GMT-5)
A feminist is a person who believes in the political, economic, and social equality between the sexes. Obviously, in a Women's Studies board, that definition becomes expanded. Usually, though, feminists are able to recognize the more hidden forms of sexism that occur or are ingrained into out society, which let's lets them fight against it. There are smaller differences in what accurately lets a person call themselves a feminist, but largely belief in equality is the primary factor. Most people don't understand, from what I can tell, that there are several forms of feminism, and they all don't agree. Mainstream, Marxist (or socialist), militant (of whose members I have never met), conservative, equity, and the list goes on and on. Unfortunately, the people who understand feminism the least are the ones who discuss it the most, in misinformed and hostile ways, without respect for the countless scholarly works and political activism that have built the movement.
19 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 1/6/03 - 4:31:45 AM EST (GMT-5)
A feminist is not a man hater, there are feminists who are man haters but most arent.
19 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 1/6/03 - 10:51:10 AM EST (GMT-5)
Is 'Bon' a sugar coated way of saying ignorant ass? Sorry, I'm feeling 'militant' today. And as Rufio would say the questioner doesn't neccesarily imply an opinion when proposing a question. I'm just completely fed up with fighting that stereotype.
19 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 1/6/03 - 10:52:17 AM EST (GMT-5)
No feminist I have ever met wants equality. They want to be better than men, and many think they already are.
19 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 1/6/03 - 10:52:49 AM EST (GMT-5)
well, sometimes, but usually it's a term for a woman who thinks women don't get enough power. which they do (get enough power).
19 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 1/6/03 - 11:20:49 AM EST (GMT-5)
Specific examples Kaneda? Most people that get involved with the feminist debate and make statements like that don't follow them up with anything concrete. Except maybe affirmative action whining.
19 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 1/6/03 - 11:26:57 AM EST (GMT-5)
No. It's a shame that so many idiots call themselves feminists.
19 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 1/6/03 - 11:27:53 AM EST (GMT-5)
WHat Rufio said. (BTW, We've gone round and round over this question)
19 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 1/6/03 - 11:35:54 AM EST (GMT-5)
females are bootiful things, i feel its my duty to bone every fit woman i see. Its my way of saying thank u 2 the world.
19 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 1/6/03 - 11:36:38 AM EST (GMT-5)
ride tha punani
19 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 1/6/03 - 11:37:04 AM EST (GMT-5)
Pferde: Concrete what? Concrete names of random feminists I've met? Or perhaps their telephone numbers and addresses? I don't know! I just know that anytime I've met a feminist they'd much rather that men stepped down and let women run everything.
19 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 1/6/03 - 11:37:45 AM EST (GMT-5)
Then you obviously haven't met any feminists. :)
19 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 1/6/03 - 11:40:11 AM EST (GMT-5)
Rufio: Maybe I was talking to thin air? I was wondering why they didn't seem to listen to a word I say...
19 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 1/6/03 - 2:06:11 PM EST (GMT-5)
What kind of opinions, politics, policies do these women hold that make you think they want to be 'better than men'? No feminist I've met is pushing for unseating every male in a position of power. That's nonsense.
19 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 1/6/03 - 4:49:29 PM EST (GMT-5)
Kaneda, do you have the vaguest idea of all the adavancements feminism has brought to the world? And excuse me, buy you'll pardon me if I don't take seriously the statement, "No feminist I have ever met wants equality." I'm sorry, but if I meet one more world-weary, teenage boy who thinks he knows enough about the feminist movement to make remarks as ignorant as that, I'm going to tear my hair out. Pferde01, we can ask people who are so dismissive against feminsim to name one experience, or activist, or author, which makes them think feminsim is anti-men, and we won't get an answer. Usually the people in question make up some story that sounds phony about how "a feminist" verbally attacked them while they innocently were walking down the street. They never have anything specific--nothing!
19 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 1/6/03 - 4:57:19 PM EST (GMT-5)
I'd also like to add--how do these teenage boys who are so against feminism even know that a person they encounter is a feminist? Were they wearing a label? What I notice is that when boys encounter women whom to which they feel inferior, they usually take the label and transfer it to the woman in question, as if that somehow comforts them that their own ideas are valid because the "feminists" can't possibly be right. It seems to me you either have to do reading, or attend a university and involve yourself in the academic enviornment of feminism, before you can say that you understand feminists thoroughly. In both reading and schooling, you can directly immerse yourself into the lives of women who ARE ACTUALLY FEMINISTS. They say it. They are clearly defined.
19 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 1/6/03 - 4:58:13 PM EST (GMT-5)
While there are extremists in any mass movement, feminism itself and the majority of feminists are simply about advancing the rights of women and thus, advancing all members of society. Without the early feminists, female suffrage would not have existed. I believe that has benefited all of society. BTW....why is J-Lo's picture up there??
19 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 1/6/03 - 5:30:29 PM EST (GMT-5)
Yes, there are extremists in any movement, but saying what Kaneda said would be the same as me saying, "I have never met a Muslim that hasn't bombed the World Trade Center." It's just ridiculous. And even some of the more conservative feminists whom I do not agree with (like Catherine MacKinnon) who are anti-cinema for adult viewing, have made valuable contributions. MacKinnon herself was largely responsible for helping to recognize sexual harrassment as a valid legal category. And of course, monitoring the progress of abortion rights largely falls on the back of feminists. Given that, we need them more then ever. I have no idea why J-Lo is there. It's not even recent. Very strange. You know, they should have put a pic of Nicole Kidman, an amazing and lovely woman who recently said on 60 minutes that she was a feminist. She said it very matter-of-factly, without hostility or arrogance. It was a wonderful interview, and a credit to both her and the movement.
19 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 1/6/03 - 7:37:24 PM EST (GMT-5)
Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.
19 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Tuesday 1/7/03 - 3:07:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think feminist just means that you believe women's issues are valid and deserve to be heard along with the normal issues we hear about every day. You can’t deny that women’s issues are usually ignored and always have been.
19 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Thursday 1/9/03 - 12:56:34 AM EST (GMT-5)
No. A feminist is a feminist. A man hater can be anyone regardless of gender.
19 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 1/13/03 - 1:53:30 PM EST (GMT-5)
I agree with khaki and so should the rest of you, so just get over yourselves and quit arguing :-\...
19 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Sunday 2/16/03 - 1:37:50 PM EST (GMT-5)
It all depends on the woman. Feminism means different things to different people. Sure, woman deservies the same rights as man but not more. There are feminist who are man-haters.
19 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Sunday 2/16/03 - 1:53:47 PM EST (GMT-5)
I have held the door open for women who say "thank you" as they go through and other women who angrily say "I can do it myself" as if I had insulted them. Some people are just angry at everyone. The man hating feminists ruin things for women who want men to be courteous.
19 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 3/7/03 - 11:04:05 AM EST (GMT-5)
Is there a reason J-lo's picture is attached to this?

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