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Sex or violence? (No, you can`t have both)

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13 yrs ago - Saturday 9/19/09 - 3:02:26 PM EST (GMT-5)
A movie I saw prompted a discussion with a friend about a dilemma.

Would it be worse to be forced to kill people or to have sex against your will?

Say, for example you were telepathically controlled by someone else, and could observe these actions, but could not do anything to stop the killing/sex.

You would be able to take control of your body and mind for periods of time in between being a puppet, so you'd realise what you had done.

The chap I was discussing it with was American, and he thought being forced to have sex against your will would be worse, whereas I thought that being forced to kill would be worse.

Is that symptomatic of the cultural/gender differences between us?

13 yrs ago - Saturday 9/19/09 - 3:04:55 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think being killed would be much worse. You don't do any real harm by having sex. You can't say the same for killing others.
13 yrs ago - Saturday 9/19/09 - 3:05:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
*I think being forced to kill
13 yrs ago - Saturday 9/19/09 - 3:06:26 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think in terms of 'worse' we meant more 'what would be worse for you as the person forced into doing these acts?'

But fair point, for your victims, killing would be quite a bit worse!
13 yrs ago - Saturday 9/19/09 - 3:06:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
No it's symptomatic of how in need of a good shagging you are.
13 yrs ago - Saturday 9/19/09 - 3:09:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 9/19/09 - 3:06:26 PM chips2001 wrote:
I think in terms of 'worse' we meant more 'what would be worse for you as the person forced into doing these acts?' But fair point, for your victims, killing would be quite a bit worse!


I don't see a distinction between the two. I could live with myself if I was having sex with people against my will. At least that way I would know that I would be doing no harm to others. However, I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I knew I was ending the lives of others and there was nothing I could do to stop it.
13 yrs ago - Saturday 9/19/09 - 3:12:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
Is rape less damaging to the psyche than killing, then?

That's the stance that I took, Griffin. Sex is sex and to me, isn't as big a deal as killing, but this American dude seemed to think he could reconcile himself to the killing more easily.
13 yrs ago - Saturday 9/19/09 - 3:17:37 PM EST (GMT-5)
Having neither been raped nor committed murder I can't honestly say

Now, in your scenario would the other participants be willing?
13 yrs ago - Saturday 9/19/09 - 3:19:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
The sexual partners would - think of the puppetmaster as some kind of telepathic pimp.

The victims of the killer would not be willing. Think of the puppetmaster being in control of a gladiator.
13 yrs ago - Saturday 9/19/09 - 3:21:36 PM EST (GMT-5)
It depends on the quality of the people I'd be forced to have sex with.

(I can be shallow in this hypothetical situation, right?)
13 yrs ago - Saturday 9/19/09 - 3:23:16 PM EST (GMT-5)
I'd rather be forced to fornicate, on the terms you described. However, I gotta know if I would just black out while doing it or if I would actually feel what's going on. I could be a rockin' sex machine and not even know it, or a complete dud and have no way to fix it.
13 yrs ago - Saturday 9/19/09 - 3:27:20 PM EST (GMT-5)
In that case I would definitely choose the sex.

If I were forced to rape someone, I might have a harder time deciding.
13 yrs ago - Saturday 9/19/09 - 4:36:44 PM EST (GMT-5)
Worst is killing.

I don't entirely understand the sex thing, though. It's like I'm whisked away into some consensual (on their part) holy union? That sounds okay. Not great,but nothing to freak out over.
Being raped or raping would be bad.

13 yrs ago - Saturday 9/19/09 - 4:41:12 PM EST (GMT-5)
THERE'S NO SEX IN YOUR VIOLENCE
13 yrs ago - Saturday 9/19/09 - 4:42:54 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 9/19/09 - 4:36:44 PM Mispelled wrote:
Worst is killing. I don't entirely understand the sex thing, though. It's like I'm whisked away into some consensual (on their part) holy union? That sounds okay. Not great,but nothing to freak out over. Being raped or raping would be bad.

Being forced to have sex with someone is pretty much the definition of rape, isn't it?
13 yrs ago - Saturday 9/19/09 - 4:45:21 PM EST (GMT-5)
Idk,it just seems like a different scenario than a rape. Like, there's no coercion involved on the other person's part. They're just lying there, blissfully unaware that I am being forced to do this. Instead of a hateful, coercive experience.

I wouldn't enjoy it, but it's not as bad. I imagine it similar to how a cinema for adult viewing star feels. They don't want to be having sex with this person, but they are "forced to" to make their rent.
13 yrs ago - Saturday 9/19/09 - 4:48:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
I would consider the person forcing you to have the sex to be the one raping you, maybe. either way I'd very definitely feel raped
13 yrs ago - Saturday 9/19/09 - 4:50:59 PM EST (GMT-5)
Yeh, the anger would be directed toward the forcing party, but not the sex partner. That's why it's a little different.
I agree that forced sex is rape; just making the subtle distinction in my head about how traumatized I'd be if I were forced by the sexual partner or an outside entity.
13 yrs ago - Saturday 9/19/09 - 4:52:17 PM EST (GMT-5)
"nothing to freak over" is a little blase. I take that back. I would be upset.
13 yrs ago - Saturday 9/19/09 - 5:58:31 PM EST (GMT-5)
If the sexual partner is willing, then I would rather be forced to have sex than kill.

If forced to rape or kill, I'd rather take my own life.
13 yrs ago - Saturday 9/19/09 - 6:05:23 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 9/19/09 - 5:58:31 PM DaveW wrote:
If the sexual partner is willing, then I would rather be forced to have sex than kill. If forced to rape or kill, I'd rather take my own life.


I would have to agree with that. Rape a puppy or kill a puppy, both would leave me wanting to kill myself afterwards.
13 yrs ago - Saturday 9/19/09 - 6:19:44 PM EST (GMT-5)
I could never live with myself if i killed someone. The guilt would slowly, or maybe not slowly, drive me insane and i'd probably kill myself.

as for rape, being a victim is easier to take than guilt. It completely messes with your brain and who you are, and how you are. but its better than living with the guilt imo.
13 yrs ago - Saturday 9/19/09 - 6:23:22 PM EST (GMT-5)
and what movie?
13 yrs ago - Saturday 9/19/09 - 6:27:40 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 9/19/09 - 6:23:22 PM djembedancer wrote:
and what movie?


That's what I was wondering.
13 yrs ago - Saturday 9/19/09 - 6:55:07 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think being forced to kill would be worse (and I'm american!)

No one is getting hurt other than yourself if you're f*cking, and you can trick yourself into liking it (assuming you know you don't have a choice anyways).

And who knows! maybe the mind controller has good taste in men.

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